Week 10- Final 6 Baby!

[James Rhine]

Loved my talk with Enzo. I want to trust him, so I will. Hope he's not playing me Even if he is idc, need to go after JAR

[23:41] rhineman5: Enzoooooo
[23:42] Enzo Palumbo: heyy whatsup man
[21:47] rhineman5: herro
[21:49] Enzo Palumbo: heyy
[21:49] Enzo Palumbo: what happened to you yesterday lol
[21:49] rhineman5: i know lmao
[21:49] rhineman5: it was a fail
[21:50] Enzo Palumbo: lol its all good
[21:50] Enzo Palumbo: hows it goin
[21:50] rhineman5: pretty good
[21:50] rhineman5: looking forward to this hoh comp
[21:50] rhineman5: i know exactly who id nominate
[21:50] rhineman5: but i dont think anyone would believe me
[21:51] rhineman5: including brian lol
[21:51] rhineman5: so ill keep that to myself
[21:51] Enzo Palumbo: lol
[21:51] Enzo Palumbo: i wont even ask
[21:51] Enzo Palumbo: ill just be surprised like everyone else
[21:51] rhineman5: but now
[21:51] rhineman5: im hoping
[21:51] rhineman5: that all the powers are gone
[21:52] rhineman5: i assumed any power would expire at final 6
[21:52] Enzo Palumbo: they are. all prizes ended at f6
[21:52] Enzo Palumbo: yep
[21:52] rhineman5: yeah, like with caseys veto power
[21:53] rhineman5: so do you know all the prizes that were out?
[21:53] rhineman5: im curious if anything
[21:53] rhineman5: you dont have to tell me
[21:54] Enzo Palumbo: i think everything was out in the open except for my prize
[21:54] Enzo Palumbo: obviously the double vote was a cover
[21:54] rhineman5: clearly haha
[21:54] rhineman5: well done
[21:54] Enzo Palumbo: thanks
[21:54] Enzo Palumbo: last week kristen refused to let me use my prize on her
[21:54] rhineman5: wow
[21:54] Enzo Palumbo: she knew you guys were voting her out
[21:55] rhineman5: how would that have changed anything though?
[21:55] rhineman5: wouldnt it still be a tie?
[21:55] Enzo Palumbo: yeah but in that instance, i could take the votes away from someone who was tied
[21:55] Enzo Palumbo: and put them on someone else
[21:55] Enzo Palumbo: so it wouldve been justin/amy tied
[21:55] Enzo Palumbo: and casey would have to choose
[21:55] rhineman5: oh there were 3 noms
[21:55] rhineman5: gotcha
[21:55] Enzo Palumbo: yeah
[21:55] Enzo Palumbo: which is what i wanted to do but she wouldnt let me
[21:56] rhineman5: interesting
[21:56] rhineman5: im a little surprised you didnt say f you kristen im using it lol
[21:57] Enzo Palumbo: well i was going to, but this is where you and brian came into play
[21:58] Enzo Palumbo: i trusted what you were saying to me. probably a little too much. She knew she was gone but I didnt want to believe it
[21:58] rhineman5: i trusted that you were voting amy too
[21:58] rhineman5: i guess we were both wrong
[21:59] Enzo Palumbo: my vote was inconsequential though
[22:00] rhineman5: oh im just teasing
[22:00] rhineman5: nothing too serious about that
[22:01] rhineman5: but we did end up "agreeing" on voting amy
[22:01] rhineman5: and went in completely opposite directions lol
[22:01] Enzo Palumbo: yeah and even if i did vote her, kristen would've still went.
[22:02] rhineman5: right, but if you really trusted in me and brian, there wouldnt be a need to agree to vote out amy and not follow through
[22:02] rhineman5: im not attacking you by any means, and i hope this convo is being taken lightly
[22:02] rhineman5: but its just an observation
[22:03] Enzo Palumbo: well of course and obviously a mistake on my part but thats neither here nor there at this point so none of its a big deal to me at all
[22:04] Enzo Palumbo: for this week though, everything i did had to be kept a secret from everyone
[22:04] Enzo Palumbo: and to ensure nothing shady happened, i wanted everyone to vote casey
[22:04] rhineman5: to stay
[22:04] rhineman5: yeah
[22:04] Enzo Palumbo: yeah
[22:04] rhineman5: honestly though
[22:04] rhineman5: if you wouldve told me you wanted casey out
[22:04] rhineman5: i prob wouldve voted him out
[22:05] Enzo Palumbo: I realized that afterwards when you asked me who I wanted gone
[22:05] Enzo Palumbo: but because of your bond with him
[22:05] rhineman5: that was why i came at you
[22:05] rhineman5: right
[22:05] Enzo Palumbo: I couldnt take that risk
[22:05] Enzo Palumbo: same reason I didnt tell Amy anything
[22:05] Enzo Palumbo: she wouldve ran right back to him
[22:05] Enzo Palumbo: and i didnt tell justin anything either
[22:05] rhineman5: and honestly it all worked out
[22:05] rhineman5: because you got what you wanted
[22:06] rhineman5: and there wasnt any blood on my hands for casey at least
[22:06] Enzo Palumbo: yep
[22:06] rhineman5: but as danielle would say
[22:06] rhineman5: 10 down
[22:06] rhineman5: 4 to go
[22:06] rhineman5:
[22:06] rhineman5: im watching bb 3 now
[22:07] rhineman5: down to final 5
[22:07] Enzo Palumbo: lol nice
[22:08] Enzo Palumbo: I really have no expectations for this week or the rest of the game. Im super vulnerable this week and if I leave, I leave. But there was other reasons why I did what I did besides to get out someone who had f2's with multiple people
[22:08] rhineman5: why is that?
[22:10] Enzo Palumbo: well you may laugh at this but im 100% serious. Despite what happened last week with Kristen's eviction, I still hold you and Brian in a high regard. If it was to happen where it was me you and him in the f3, I would be outnumbered but I still like my chances.
[22:10] rhineman5: see like i feel MY word personally is shit in this game
[22:10] rhineman5: with how i lied during kristens eviction
[22:10] rhineman5: is it fair for me to categorize you with rachel?
[22:11] rhineman5: because in my head its me and brian
[22:11] rhineman5: you and rachel
[22:11] rhineman5: "against each other"
[22:11] rhineman5: with amy and justin in the middle
[22:11] rhineman5: catch my drift?
[22:11] Enzo Palumbo: you can totally see it that way but also look at it like this
[22:11] Enzo Palumbo: what has rachel done to even prove she has my back besides win that veto
[22:11] Enzo Palumbo: the veto where amy "fucked up"
[22:11] rhineman5: right
[22:12] rhineman5: i mean i know you got a shitty ally :/
[22:12] rhineman5: but she could turn it on
[22:12] rhineman5: and her vote does count in your favor
[22:12] Enzo Palumbo: yeah
[22:12] rhineman5: and thats the deadliest weapon of all
[22:12] Enzo Palumbo: but when you or brian win hoh
[22:12] Enzo Palumbo: im pretty much fucked unless i win veto
[22:12] Enzo Palumbo: im totally aware
[22:12] rhineman5: right
[22:12] Enzo Palumbo: and i really dont care
[22:12] rhineman5: but heres the thing for me
[22:12] rhineman5: its final 6
[22:13] rhineman5: 3 people deserve to win
[22:13] rhineman5: 3 dont
[22:13] rhineman5: imo
[22:13] rhineman5: i know we already tried having the strongest align
[22:13] rhineman5: and brian and i fucked that up cuza casey
[22:13] rhineman5: but since caseys gone i think the wildcard element is gone
[22:14] rhineman5: and im being totally straightforward not on brian and james's behalf
[22:14] rhineman5: but just on my behalf
[22:14] rhineman5: that i want you to stay this week
[22:14] rhineman5: and this is the perfect hoh opportunity for me to do that
[22:14] rhineman5: its not a matter of trust at this point imo
[22:14] rhineman5: and i can see you winning hoh right after and nominating me and brian
[22:14] rhineman5: i get it
[22:15] rhineman5: but id rather you be the one in charge
[22:15] rhineman5: over the other 3 in the house when that happens
[22:16] Enzo Palumbo: I totally get that and thats kind of the same way Ive been thinking lately. Even after Kristen left, it wasnt like 'omg i need revenge'. It was more like, okay... I have to look at this objectively since Im essentially alone. yeah Rachel is here still but she does nothing for me except keep herself tight with Amy and Justin.
[22:17] Enzo Palumbo: It was a situation where I couldve split you and Brian up easily, but it would'nt have benefitted me as much as Casey going and I think in this aspect, even with a close ally of yours gone, you will still be okay
[22:17] rhineman5: right and at the end of the day
[22:18] rhineman5: you had opportunities to go after me and/or brian
[22:18] rhineman5: but didnt
[22:18] rhineman5: granted there was an auto-nom which may have changed strategical noms
[22:18] rhineman5: but still, you always gave me and brian a key
[22:19] Enzo Palumbo: yeah and in my mind, even with the lying, our lines of communication have always been open
[22:19] Enzo Palumbo: for the most part
[22:20] rhineman5: definitely
[22:20] Enzo Palumbo: theres room to work with
[22:20] Enzo Palumbo: ya know
[22:20] rhineman5: and we kept it real with each other
[22:20] rhineman5: like when i had an issue with you
[22:20] rhineman5: we resolved it pretty quickly
[22:20] Enzo Palumbo: definitely
[22:20] rhineman5: well you know my allegiance in this game is to brian
[22:21] rhineman5: but if you want that 3rd spot in me looking after you, i'll gladly place you there
[22:21] rhineman5: oh and by 3rd
[22:21] rhineman5: i mean 1st james 2nd brian 3rd you
[22:21] Enzo Palumbo: I do want that because like I said, I have confidence in myself. I havent needed Rachel and she's proven that I can't rely on her.
[22:21] Enzo Palumbo: haha I know what you meant
[22:22] rhineman5: kk lol
[22:23] Enzo Palumbo: the thing im looking at next is, rachel can play in hoh. I feel like you and Brian can beat her in the hoh. You have Amy and Justin who cant play next week but can the next. Its basically up to you guys who goes next
[22:23] Enzo Palumbo: right now, if i was to be nommed next week or not, i dont see it in my best interest to save anyone who hasnt proven to have my back fully
[22:23] Enzo Palumbo: especially with how people have performed
[22:24] rhineman5: i wanna make a deal with rachel
[22:24] rhineman5: that whoever wins hoh
[22:24] rhineman5: would nominate amy and justin
[22:24] rhineman5: short and sweet
[22:24] rhineman5: but she wont talk to me
[22:24] rhineman5: and clearly she thinks we're gunning for her
[22:24] rhineman5: ...which we WERE
[22:24] rhineman5: lol but i just dont like how amy and justin are sitting pretty
[22:25] Enzo Palumbo: justin put himself in his position and im sure he loves it
[22:25] Enzo Palumbo: Amy goes on and on about how she lost her f2 this week and she's been fighting every week
[22:25] Enzo Palumbo: but how has she fought?
[22:25] rhineman5: exactly
[22:25] rhineman5: float
[22:25] Enzo Palumbo: not competing? and being seen as useless?
[22:25] Enzo Palumbo: thats not fighting
[22:25] Enzo Palumbo: I have fought. You have fought. Brian has fought
[22:26] rhineman5: evicting someone who came back into the house?
[22:26] rhineman5: that ended up not going after her?
[22:26] rhineman5: lol
[22:26] Enzo Palumbo: lol
[22:26] Enzo Palumbo: she thinks thats her big move
[22:26] rhineman5: but let her think that
[22:26] rhineman5: im sure shell put it in her signature at the end of it all
[22:26] rhineman5: honestly
[22:26] rhineman5: final 3 hohs ar enot my specialty at all
[22:26] rhineman5: out of the 3 games i won
[22:27] rhineman5: im 0 of 3
[22:27] rhineman5: for final 3 hohs
[22:28] Enzo Palumbo: well i even back then when it was our f5. I wouldve loved a f4 between you me brian and kristen just to fight and have that competition
[22:28] Enzo Palumbo: i still want that and would be willing to risk going up against both of you
[22:28] rhineman5: BRING IT
[22:28] rhineman5: lol
[22:28] Enzo Palumbo: haha
[22:28] rhineman5: but first we need to take care of JAR
[22:30] Enzo Palumbo: indeed. You know Ill fight for veto just to secure myself. I will tell you this and whether you believe me or not, its the truth. the only f2 i had was with kristen.
[22:30] rhineman5: ill believe you
[22:31] Enzo Palumbo: making a f2 with rachel does nothing for me when she hasnt proven herself whatsoever
[22:31] rhineman5: but my intution is telling me you were at least influential in rachels gameplay
[22:31] rhineman5: since the beginning
[22:31] rhineman5: but thats just my gut instinct
[22:31] rhineman5: and ive said this to kristen wayyyyy back in the day
[22:33] Enzo Palumbo: Oh I wont disagree with that. I think Rachel liked taking the backseat for most of the game.
[22:34] Enzo Palumbo: I dont respect someone who just plays utr, throws comps, doesnt compete even if her ally needs her to just to slide this far. Granted, she has helped me by saving me and not lying to me but at the end of the day, it takes a lot more than that to prove yourself to someone
[22:34] Enzo Palumbo: now you myself and brian have gone round and round with what we've told each other, etc... but one thing I do know about the both of you is you never give up, you dont throw shit unless its in your benefit
[22:35] Enzo Palumbo: and ultimately im in the game for competition. Winning would be great but even if I dont win and I play the way I want to and the way I can respect myself afterwards, is really whats more important.
[22:35] rhineman5: alright
[22:35] rhineman5: im in
[22:35] rhineman5: ill ride with you to final 3
[22:35] rhineman5: you might need to do some convincing to brian tho
[22:35] rhineman5: b/c as nice as he is
[22:35] rhineman5: he likes to take the easy way out
[22:36] rhineman5: perfect example, he wouldve vote me out f3 had he won final hoh in recycled 5
[22:36] Enzo Palumbo: so he wouldve voted you out to secure your vote in the jury?
[22:36] rhineman5: well thats what he thinks
[22:37] rhineman5: really he was intimidated going against me in jury questioning
[22:37] rhineman5: he didnt realize at the time how much of a favorite he was to win
[22:37] rhineman5: prob b/c i kept planting seeds in his mind at how i awesome i was playing the game
[22:37] rhineman5: lol my own little delusional world...
[22:38] rhineman5: but i told him after i found out that he wouldve voted me out
[22:38] rhineman5: that i wouldvent voted for him to win
[22:38] rhineman5: at that point its personal
[22:38] rhineman5: and you dont fuck with my loyalty
[22:38] Enzo Palumbo: Oh I get that and honestly it helps me understand how he's playing this game too.
[22:39] rhineman5: right and in a sense it explains my gameplay as well
[22:39] rhineman5: i pick one person
[22:39] rhineman5: and stick with them til the end
[22:39] rhineman5: everyone else is expendible
[22:39] Enzo Palumbo: so essentially did I help you
[22:39] Enzo Palumbo: by pulling this on casey?
[22:39] rhineman5: emotionally no...
[22:39] rhineman5: logically yes
[22:40] Enzo Palumbo: right
[22:40] rhineman5: i thought about it more and more
[22:40] rhineman5: and casey had weight on my decisions
[22:40] rhineman5: with him gone
[22:40] rhineman5: it would be easier to go after people like
[22:40] rhineman5: justin and amy
[22:40] Enzo Palumbo: to which he had ties to
[22:40] Enzo Palumbo: if he stayed
[22:40] rhineman5: exactly
[22:40] Enzo Palumbo: rachel and me would be the targets
[22:41] rhineman5: you're getting me to the point where i just want to show you everything
[22:41] rhineman5: like i sent him this LONG pm why it was stupid to vote out kristen
[22:41] rhineman5: and then we talked on aim afterwards and he basically said
[22:42] rhineman5: i like you, but if you dont vote kristen out, we wont work together and ill come after you
[22:42] rhineman5: when he played that card, i said fine. you win, you get what you want
[22:42] rhineman5: and im secretly satisfied that he reaped what he sowed
[22:43] Enzo Palumbo: yeah and now that you say that, I realize what you meant by Casey getting what he wanted but not what he needed
[22:43] Enzo Palumbo: totally makes sense now
[22:43] rhineman5: yeah
[22:43] rhineman5: when you play this game,
[22:43] rhineman5: you have to put yourself first
[22:44] rhineman5: but he put kristens eviction ahead of himself
[22:44] rhineman5: so he got caught in the crossfires
[22:44] rhineman5: but he definitely has tunnelvision when it comes to stuff like that
[22:44] rhineman5: still love him tho lol
[22:44] Enzo Palumbo: oh he was in great position had he survived this week
[22:45] Enzo Palumbo: but the dynamics of the game never stay the same and thats whats awesome about the game.
[22:45] Enzo Palumbo: if it keeps you on your toes, while you have fun and make moves that you can actually live with and be happy that you did, then I think thats what really makes it a good experience
[22:46] rhineman5: see like i felt an obligation to vote for casey to stay
[22:46] rhineman5: and you not telling me your target only made it easier to vote that way
[22:46] rhineman5: but as far as im concerned brian didnt
[22:46] rhineman5: i was like, dude its ok if we dont vote the same...
[22:46] rhineman5: lol
[22:47] rhineman5: but he ended up making his own decision
[22:47] rhineman5: i was thinking he could tie it and you would break it
[22:47] rhineman5: little did i know...
[22:47] rhineman5: lol
[22:47] Enzo Palumbo: well i briefly spoke to justin. he was in shock that it wasnt tied and then realized everyone voted him out
[22:47] rhineman5: haha
[22:47] Enzo Palumbo: apparently from what he says, brian lied to him flat out
[22:47] Enzo Palumbo: which i didnt understand
[22:47] rhineman5: yup
[22:48] rhineman5: which is why i told brian to vote out casey
[22:48] rhineman5: it didnt make sense at all in my opinion
[22:48] rhineman5: but whats a brother to do
[22:49] rhineman5: but even so, i still want brian to succeed in this game
[22:49] rhineman5: but i think some people just get the game
[22:49] rhineman5: and some dont
[22:49] Enzo Palumbo: lol even with him lying and stuff, I still like the guy.
[22:49] rhineman5: good
[22:49] Enzo Palumbo: He's the type of person that could do whatever
[22:49] rhineman5: haha
[22:49] Enzo Palumbo: and you still like him
[22:49] rhineman5: definitely
[22:50] rhineman5: hes a really good friend
[22:50] rhineman5: if you had to label each of the 6 houseguests still in right now
[22:50] rhineman5: what would they be?
[22:50] Enzo Palumbo: label them in what way
[22:50] rhineman5: (giving you some practice jury questions)
[22:50] rhineman5: HBIC, floater, pawn, etc.
[22:51] rhineman5: threat
[22:51] rhineman5: whore
[22:51] rhineman5: anything haha
[22:51] Enzo Palumbo: oh okay. floaters would be amy and rachel. for sure. moreso rachel. Amy is the pawn/floater/useless type. Justin is the sneaky, Im doing the opposite of what I say type.
[22:52] Enzo Palumbo: Brian is the nice guy but will vote you out if he has to. You seem more of the mastermind type just based on your strategic decisions thus far. I, myself, can be categorized in the same light as you also.
[22:53] Enzo Palumbo: I could be wrong and probably am but thats how I see things right now
[22:53] rhineman5: cool
[22:53] rhineman5: questions for me?!
[22:53] Enzo Palumbo: Just one
[22:54] Enzo Palumbo: If you had to choose who you played this game with as your legitimate f2. Who would it be? Brian or Casey?
[22:54] Enzo Palumbo: and why?
[22:54] Enzo Palumbo: Also, take away that you actually know Brian irl
[22:54] rhineman5: yeah that doesnt really apply much here
[22:54] rhineman5: but casey and i understood each others style and gameplay, and worked well together in starz
[22:55] rhineman5: or at least worked together lol
[22:55] rhineman5: so we had an understanding to look out for each other
[22:55] rhineman5: whereas for brian, he was the only person that i told that i gave a f2 for
[22:55] rhineman5: when i give that, i mean it
[22:55] rhineman5: and as much as others and i talk or anything
[22:55] rhineman5: if those words dont come out of my mouth
[22:55] rhineman5: im not looking after you
[22:56] rhineman5: harsh, but true
[22:56] Enzo Palumbo: mhm completely understand. you and I are the same in that aspect. I think thats why Casey and I got along in s6
[22:56] Enzo Palumbo: he has a similar style to you and to me also.
[22:57] Enzo Palumbo: justin brought this up last night and i agreed with him then but it is definitely ringing in my ears now...
[22:57] Enzo Palumbo: kristen would've demolished anyone of us in the finals
[22:57] rhineman5: she knows how to play the game
[22:57] rhineman5: and her pms are far and many
[22:57] rhineman5: i really did like her
[22:57] rhineman5: and i bleieve that she liked me too
[22:57] rhineman5: i really did
[22:57] rhineman5: but when she sent me the pm thanking me in advance for my vote
[22:58] rhineman5: when we havent talked
[22:58] Enzo Palumbo: lol
[22:58] rhineman5: was when i felt like she was stuffing words in my mouth
[22:58] Enzo Palumbo: yeah that makes sense.
[22:58] rhineman5: casey knows this about me
[22:58] rhineman5: with my fight with sandra in starz
[22:58] rhineman5: i hate when people make assumptions about me
[22:58] rhineman5: you dont know who im aligned with
[22:58] rhineman5: and you dont know how im going to vote
[22:59] rhineman5: its just a pet peeve if anything
[22:59] rhineman5: but still
[22:59] Enzo Palumbo: lol i know. people love to make asses out of u and me
[22:59] Enzo Palumbo: its pretty much inevitable
[22:59] rhineman5: so true
[22:59] rhineman5: barack
[22:59] Enzo Palumbo: lol i loved playing barack
[22:59] Enzo Palumbo: so much fun
[22:59] rhineman5: hahaha]
[23:00] rhineman5: i wish i didnt make adam as "evil" as i did
[23:00] rhineman5: i love adam levine
[23:00] rhineman5: and would probably have all of his children
[23:00] Enzo Palumbo: speaking of.. where the hell are the awards?
[23:00] rhineman5: beats me
[23:00] rhineman5: ill just take the first place trophy
[23:00] rhineman5: thank you
[23:00] Enzo Palumbo: haha
[23:01] rhineman5: and in starz i really wanted to get rid of brian
[23:01] rhineman5: i.e. bradley
[23:01] rhineman5: but that was hard considering how he dq'd
[23:01] rhineman5: so stupid too
[23:01] rhineman5: i shouldvent brought it up
[23:02] Enzo Palumbo: im still curious how that happened. He would never tell me
[23:02] rhineman5: oh i thought the boards were unlocked
[23:02] rhineman5: basically
[23:02] rhineman5: since brian and i know each other in real life
[23:02] rhineman5: we were in my room
[23:03] rhineman5: and he went to use my laptop
[23:03] rhineman5: he was staying the night because of a snowstorm
[23:03] rhineman5: but he ended up reading part of my dr
[23:03] rhineman5: which is when i freaked b/c johnny and i have a f2
[23:03] rhineman5: and if he found out about it, it would ruin everything
[23:03] rhineman5: i kept a lot of screts from him that game lol
[23:04] Enzo Palumbo: lol
[23:04] rhineman5: the secret hes mad at me the most for keeping from him were the hidden keys
[23:05] rhineman5: i had to be surprised and excited when he found keys
[23:05] rhineman5: i already found 3 days before
[23:05] rhineman5: that was FUNNY in my head
[23:05] rhineman5: but he got mad when he found out i knew about the keys all along lol
[23:06] Enzo Palumbo: lol well I dont blame him but that would be funny, like haha I already got them but ughh please stop searching, I feel bad
[23:06] Enzo Palumbo: type shit
[23:06] rhineman5: lol yup
[23:07] Enzo Palumbo: see and this is what people dont get about this game really. THIS specific game, I mean... everyone all game for the most part has been about splitting you and Brian up
[23:07] Enzo Palumbo: Ive never had that intention
[23:08] Enzo Palumbo: and while I see that strategic aspect, I didnt see it as a strategic move for me because that I really do like both of you and because of my communication levels with both of you
[23:08] rhineman5: and our combined skill levels
[23:08] rhineman5: is massive to the other 3
[23:08] rhineman5: in this particular game
[23:08] Enzo Palumbo: definitely
[23:08] rhineman5: what do you think the order should be
[23:08] rhineman5: out of those 3 to leave
[23:09] Enzo Palumbo: rachel/justin are interchangeable with their placings, amy i see as a 4th placer because of her personality and how shes competed
[23:09] Enzo Palumbo: 3rd belonging to either you me or brian
[23:09] rhineman5: lol
[23:10] rhineman5: <3 3rd
[23:10] rhineman5: i kind of want justin gone first
[23:10] rhineman5: for selfish reasons
[23:10] rhineman5: being the last winner would rock
[23:10] Enzo Palumbo: well ill tell you this
[23:10] Enzo Palumbo: he's pissed at brian
[23:10] rhineman5: right
[23:10] rhineman5: with good reason actually
[23:10] Enzo Palumbo: idk what you told him but it seemed like you said flat out you were voting him
[23:10] Enzo Palumbo: from his perspective
[23:10] rhineman5: voting him out right?
[23:10] Enzo Palumbo: yeah
[23:11] rhineman5: yeah i told him i was voting him out
[23:11] Enzo Palumbo: yeah so it was confusing why brian lied so blatantly
[23:11] Enzo Palumbo: i see the value in it last round to get out a big threat
[23:11] Enzo Palumbo: but in this case, without you guys knowing of the eviction flipper
[23:11] Enzo Palumbo: there was no reason
[23:11] rhineman5: trust me
[23:11] rhineman5: ive had a long discussion with brian about that lol
[23:12] rhineman5: i was like UNNECESSARY!
[23:12] rhineman5: SHAME ON YOU
[23:12] rhineman5: lol
[23:12] Enzo Palumbo: see and thats the thing, I understand the both of you and how you interact. YOU can tell him stuff like that and he will listen because of your relationship
[23:12] Enzo Palumbo: anyone else, that might fall of deaf ears
[23:13] Enzo Palumbo: on*
[23:13] rhineman5: you dont think brian listens to anyone but me?
[23:13] Enzo Palumbo: Oh I think he will listen to everyone and think about what they say but when it comes to a final decision, he trusts your opinion most of all
[23:13] Enzo Palumbo: and rightfully so
[23:14] rhineman5: right
[23:14] rhineman5: like i see myself as his coach lmao
[23:14] rhineman5: and when he does a bad play i call him out on it
[23:14] Enzo Palumbo: thats not to take away anything from his as a player because even if you werent in the game, I still see him being in this f6
[23:15] rhineman5: thats great
[23:15] rhineman5: im SO SURPRISED how me and brian are still in together
[23:15] rhineman5: so obviously together
[23:15] rhineman5: it baffles me
[23:15] Enzo Palumbo: lol luck has played apart of that. there was no way you guys couldve known that there would be a vote back into the game twist at that point
[23:16] Enzo Palumbo: thats where I think Amy feels she's "so proud"
[23:16] Enzo Palumbo: but it was all for not
[23:16] Enzo Palumbo: so it cancels the move out
[23:16] Enzo Palumbo: imo
[23:16] rhineman5: yeah
[23:16] rhineman5: and thats a huge reason why i dont try to overplan things out
[23:16] rhineman5: let things happen the way they should
[23:17] rhineman5: otherwise it may come bite you in the ass
[23:17] rhineman5: i was so relieved that i was nice the week of my eviction
[23:17] rhineman5: i really accepted that i was going to be 12th place
[23:17] rhineman5: and was fine with it
[23:17] rhineman5: and i think that attitude unknowingly helped my houseguests to vote me back in
[23:17] rhineman5: when i couldve easily been the ass-hole james r. that attacks amy
[23:18] Enzo Palumbo: which is ironic that none of your allies at the time did
[23:18] rhineman5: "allies"
[23:18] Enzo Palumbo: lol
[23:18] Enzo Palumbo: yeah
[23:18] rhineman5: lets not forget who james evicted
[23:18] rhineman5: im a good "allie"
[23:18] rhineman5: too
[23:18] Enzo Palumbo: haha
[23:18] rhineman5: *ally
[23:18] rhineman5: w/e
[23:19] Enzo Palumbo: also as far as my decision was concerned, and this is not to say im against brian now but at the time, i wanted you to stay more than him
[23:19] Enzo Palumbo: but you asked to be voted out and I granted that
[23:19] Enzo Palumbo: but to vote you back in, was an easy decision
[23:19] rhineman5: awwwwww SHUCKS
[23:20] Enzo Palumbo: I have the utmost respect for the both of you and always have even when all the drama happened last week. I dont change my opinions that quickly and shift them.
[23:20] Enzo Palumbo: Lying to me, part of the game. I see that and it wasnt a big deal to where I needed vengeance upon you guys
[23:21] Enzo Palumbo: you and I both know that Casey had more than just you as a f2
[23:21] Enzo Palumbo: so I definitely feel like the right decision was made
[23:21] Enzo Palumbo: Did I withhold the truth from both you and Brian? Absolutely
[23:21] Enzo Palumbo: but i withheld it from everyone to accomplish what needed to be done
[23:21] rhineman5: lol it wasnt necessary to give out
[23:21] rhineman5: yup exactly
[23:22] rhineman5: you dont need to bring everything out to the surface in this game
[23:22] rhineman5: a huge part of this game is secrecy
[23:22] rhineman5: something i feel like i accel at
[23:22] rhineman5: but this game challenged me b/c EVERYONE KNOWS MY F2
[23:22] rhineman5: AND IT KILLS ME
[23:22] Enzo Palumbo: and youre both still here
[23:23] Enzo Palumbo: and you have someone willing to go to that part of the game with you.
[23:23] Enzo Palumbo: I have no qualms about htat
[23:23] Enzo Palumbo: that*
[23:23] rhineman5: you know when you earned a lot of respect from me as a player?
[23:23] rhineman5: let me check its in my dr
[23:23] Enzo Palumbo: lol k
[23:24] rhineman5: it was the beginning of week 9
[23:24] rhineman5: your hoh reign
[23:24] rhineman5: i think it was after you hoh win
[23:24] rhineman5: idr...
[23:24] rhineman5: but remember when i came at you with a million questions?
[23:24] Enzo Palumbo: lol yes
[23:24] rhineman5: i was testing you
[23:24] rhineman5: to see if you were gonna snap
[23:24] rhineman5: which i think i wanted
[23:25] rhineman5: but you were so calm
[23:25] rhineman5: and so respectful
[23:25] rhineman5: and real with all of your responses
[23:25] rhineman5: i felt like the biggest dick in the world
[23:25] Enzo Palumbo: lol well it was all good man. As much as I have kept from people, I am open with what I think. All the time and I hope thats been evident with my speeches
[23:26] Enzo Palumbo: I do know that I type a lot and I can come off as self righteous
[23:26] Enzo Palumbo: but it really isnt my intention
[23:26] rhineman5: you just type what you think
[23:26] rhineman5: and when you get passionate you cant stop
[23:26] rhineman5: im the same way
[23:26] Enzo Palumbo: thats had a lot to do with my decisions as far as youre concerned
[23:26] Enzo Palumbo: not gonna lie
[23:27] Enzo Palumbo: It comes down to respect for me and even when you lied to me last round, I still had that same respect. That will never change.
[23:27] Enzo Palumbo: i was pissed
[23:27] Enzo Palumbo: for sure
[23:27] rhineman5: and you definitely have my respect
[23:27] rhineman5: i actually
[23:27] rhineman5: lol
[23:27] Enzo Palumbo: but i dont go off emotions
[23:27] rhineman5: look what i wrote to brian the second he was on meebo
[23:27] rhineman5: or aim
[23:27] rhineman5: w/e
[23:27] Enzo Palumbo: when justin rattled my cage, i knew i was being stupid
[23:28] Enzo Palumbo: and when i posted that crap about you when casey was nommed,
[23:28] Enzo Palumbo: that was wrong
[23:28] Enzo Palumbo: not like me at all
[23:28] rhineman5: [22:19] rhineman5: talking to enzo
[23:28] rhineman5: [22:19] rhineman5: i think we have mutual respect for each other
[23:28] Enzo Palumbo: 100% man
[23:28] Enzo Palumbo: id rather you win for a 2nd time than Justin
[23:29] Enzo Palumbo: season 7 was full of morons and you know this being in HC
[23:29] rhineman5: hell yeah
[23:29] rhineman5: has your impression changed of people
[23:29] rhineman5: seeing them as hc
[23:29] rhineman5: and then actually playing with them?
[23:30] Enzo Palumbo: Justin is playing the same way, only I feel like he thinks people havent read his DR. lol
[23:30] Enzo Palumbo: Amanda played even worse this time around
[23:30] Enzo Palumbo: Jason fizzled out but he couldve went on a challenge run just like he did last season
[23:30] Enzo Palumbo: Annie went out about the time I thought she would. Her personality was wayy too strong for people
[23:31] rhineman5: and what about your fellow housecalls? how did you think me, brian, jen, and laura were gonna do?
[23:31] Enzo Palumbo: laura = disappointment
[23:31] rhineman5: 3 out of 5 made top 6
[23:31] rhineman5: not bad
[23:31] Enzo Palumbo: FAILURE is a better word
[23:31] rhineman5: huge failure
[23:31] Enzo Palumbo: but now knowing she's only 16, it makes sense
[23:32] rhineman5: i didnt know that lol
[23:32] Enzo Palumbo: you and brian, back then not knowing how close you were, i still see you guys going far
[23:32] Enzo Palumbo: just how you carried yourselves
[23:32] Enzo Palumbo: and i have not read any past Dr's
[23:32] Enzo Palumbo: at all
[23:32] rhineman5: lol
[23:32] rhineman5: i was that excited immature im controlling everything person in season 5
[23:33] rhineman5: it was annoying/embarassing for me lol
[23:33] rhineman5: esp when i got rid of rachel
[23:33] rhineman5: woo, that was hard for me to how i acted
[23:33] Enzo Palumbo: that was another thing
[23:33] Enzo Palumbo: she has been bitter towards both you and brian since that season
[23:33] Enzo Palumbo: since she apparently felt her and brian were so close
[23:34] Enzo Palumbo: for him to screw her over
[23:34] Enzo Palumbo: she's wanted vengeance
[23:34] Enzo Palumbo: and I never spoke to her about our alliance with the 5
[23:34] Enzo Palumbo: it took her until last week to figure it out
[23:34] rhineman5: intersting
[23:34] Enzo Palumbo: or when i put up amanda
[23:34] rhineman5: right
[23:34] Enzo Palumbo: instead of brian like she wanted
[23:34] rhineman5: wow
[23:34] Enzo Palumbo: and I have no regrets about backstabbing Amanda
[23:35] rhineman5: i really thought she would want me out before brian
[23:35] Enzo Palumbo: I can lose her vote, but it was the right move at the time
[23:35] rhineman5: i think rachel has every right to be mad at me and brian
[23:35] rhineman5: and to want vengeance
[23:35] rhineman5: and brian definitely senses that
[23:35] rhineman5: i just wish she would bring it
[23:35] rhineman5: in comps
[23:35] rhineman5: aim
[23:36] rhineman5: anything really
[23:36] rhineman5: but she has been lackluster in many areas
[23:36] rhineman5: and i wish she liked me
[23:36] Enzo Palumbo: she's jury bound
[23:36] Enzo Palumbo: i dont want her in the end because of her performance
[23:36] Enzo Palumbo: this is an allstar game. if someone who barely tried or didnt try as hard as others made it, i would feel like I failed
[23:37] Enzo Palumbo: even if she wasnt the one to take me out
[23:37] rhineman5: yeah
[23:37] Enzo Palumbo: so when i say getting 3rd to you or brian would be worth it, i mean it. At least I could say I battled the best and lost
[23:38] Enzo Palumbo: as opposed to getting unlucky against justin amy or rachel
[23:38] Enzo Palumbo: i'd hate MYSELF for that
[23:38] rhineman5: i definitely understand
[23:38] rhineman5: and wish i didnt have an obligation already
[23:38] rhineman5: because our mindsets are totally aligned with how id play the game
[23:39] Enzo Palumbo: nah dont worry about that.
[23:39] rhineman5: but i always have to shift my strategies when im working with someone
[23:39] rhineman5: and part of that shift was voting out kristen when i didnt want to
[23:39] rhineman5: that for me was letting people slide by who shouldvent
[23:39] rhineman5: and i was pissed personally
[23:40] rhineman5: because i owed kristen over justin and amy considering the fact that kristen voted me back in the house
[23:40] rhineman5: amy and justin did not
[23:40] Enzo Palumbo: strategically it was your best move, man
[23:40] rhineman5: and i was so mad at caseys blindness and inconsideration for my position
[23:40] rhineman5: no i felt the best move wouldve been to let go of amy that round
[23:41] rhineman5: i didnt vote kristen because i felt threatened by her
[23:41] rhineman5: or that i didnt trust her
[23:41] rhineman5: it was to shut casey up
[23:41] rhineman5: basically
[23:41] Enzo Palumbo: well that sucks. I dont blame you for it because you were being loyal.
[23:41] Enzo Palumbo: it just seems like Casey being in the game caused the rift
[23:42] rhineman5: loyalty is my gameplay
[23:42] rhineman5: and i came down to that same conclusion
[23:42] rhineman5: casey leaving gives me more
[23:42] rhineman5: i really do enjoy casey as a person
[23:42] rhineman5: and i consider him a pretty good friend
[23:43] rhineman5: and funny and shiz
[23:43] rhineman5: but yeah his absence will help open new doors
[23:43] rhineman5: or specifically your door lol
[23:44] Enzo Palumbo: lol well Im glad about that. It wasnt something that I felt could be done easily but in talking to both you and Brian, I did feel like more could be accomplished as far as communication goes.
[23:44] Enzo Palumbo: I still do need to talk to Brian though. I havent since before veto results.
[23:45] rhineman5: [22:19] Brian Hart: I havent talked to him since the veto
[23:45] rhineman5: lol
[23:45] Enzo Palumbo: yeah lol
[23:45] rhineman5: well i already encouraged him to talk to ya
[23:45] rhineman5: nd now im encouraging you
[23:45] Enzo Palumbo: I will definitely do that when I see him on
[23:46] Enzo Palumbo: I am not one to push or pry at all. I like things to happen smoothly
[23:46] Enzo Palumbo: it just keeps my stress and pressure levels at an even keel lol
[23:46] rhineman5: definitely
[23:46] rhineman5: i feel so comfortable with you now
[23:46] rhineman5: and i think we're on the same page
[23:47] rhineman5: when we may have assumed we're on different pages
[23:48] Enzo Palumbo: I do too and I want you to know that even if your decisions/opinions differ from mine, that isn't going to change what I think about you. I really think we have the same kind of mindset when it comes to the end of the game and now its just going to come down to implementing it.
[23:48] Enzo Palumbo: and if you are worried about trusting me as far as telling other people
[23:48] Enzo Palumbo: I live by this motto in games
[23:48] Enzo Palumbo: NTKB
[23:48] Enzo Palumbo: People are on a need to know basis
[23:49] rhineman5: right
[23:49] rhineman5: im not that concerned
[23:49] rhineman5: you definitely have my trust
[23:50] Enzo Palumbo: Cool and you have mine. I will tell you this, and this is my word. If I'm not nominated and I win veto, I will not use it
[23:50] Enzo Palumbo: save that, write it down, take a picture
[23:50] Enzo Palumbo: whatever
[23:50] rhineman5: lol
[23:50] Enzo Palumbo: its golden
[23:50] rhineman5: and this is my word
[23:51] rhineman5: i'll do whatever i can to make you, brian, and i get top 3
[23:51] rhineman5: period
[23:51] Enzo Palumbo: awesome. You said it earlier, theres only 3 people who have fought the whole way through for it
[23:51] Enzo Palumbo: and its clear who those are
[23:51] Enzo Palumbo: ;-)
[23:51] rhineman5: hell yeah
[23:52] rhineman5: and now i just need a good spokesperson/ role model to represent this LONG season as the winner of all stars
[23:52] rhineman5: and if its not me, it better be you or brian
[23:52] rhineman5: thats all i have to say
[23:53] Enzo Palumbo: I agree completely lol
[23:53] rhineman5: so i hope you can sleep comfortably knowing that bit of info from me
[23:53] rhineman5: and thats what i thought would be surprising about my noms
[23:53] rhineman5: that i wouldnt just flip the script and go after you
[23:54] rhineman5: b/c honestly, as much as it would make sense to
[23:54] rhineman5: i still feel like there's no sense in it at the same time lol
[23:54] rhineman5: you voted me back in the house
[23:54] rhineman5: you were in positions of power
[23:54] rhineman5: you nominated amanda
[23:54] rhineman5: you nominated casey
[23:54] rhineman5: you never went after us
[23:55] rhineman5: whereas the other 3
[23:55] rhineman5: may have had you do the dirty work to split us up
[23:56] Enzo Palumbo: yesss and I dont do other peoples dirty work. People have to work for what they want done in the game.
[23:56] rhineman5: awesome
[23:56] rhineman5: i loved that we talked and loved even more what came out of this discussion
[23:57] rhineman5: i have to do something real quick, but ill brb around 15
[23:57] Enzo Palumbo: Im glad too. alright sounds good. ill be around man
[23:57] rhineman5: cool
[00:30] rhineman5: i am back homes
[00:30] Enzo Palumbo: wb
[00:31] Enzo Palumbo: so what are you doing online on a saturday night lol
[00:32] rhineman5: lol talking to you
[00:32] rhineman5: i want to get to know you more
[00:33] rhineman5: who all have you played before with in all-stars
[00:34] Enzo Palumbo: in this game? besides the people in s6, I have played with Jen, Annie and Michael before
[00:34] rhineman5: you never played with rachel before?
[00:35] Enzo Palumbo: oh rachel too. but she was HC so I dont really count that.
[00:35] rhineman5: oh ok
[00:35] Enzo Palumbo: I was just more so familiar with her because she was the cohost of the URTV series that Ive played in before
[00:35] rhineman5: howd you do in that series?
[00:36] Enzo Palumbo: thats where I played with Annie Jen and Michael in
[00:36] rhineman5: oh i know then
[00:36] Enzo Palumbo: i got 9th/4th/15th
[00:36] rhineman5: got picked off
[00:36] Enzo Palumbo: lol
[00:36] rhineman5: oh jen got 4th?
[00:36] rhineman5: oh you got that
[00:36] rhineman5: lol
[00:37] Enzo Palumbo: yeahh. urtv9, i got 4th. Jen, in that game got 3rd. urtv10, i got 4th, Annie ended up winning
[00:37] rhineman5: wow
[00:37] Enzo Palumbo: in urtv11 which was allstars annie got last place, and jen got one place lower than me
[00:37] rhineman5: do you ever plan on hosting a game?
[00:37] Enzo Palumbo: i am actually hosting one on facebook right now that starts this monday
[00:38] rhineman5: nice!
[00:38] Enzo Palumbo: i want to do one on proboards but im not very good with graphics and stuff which is the only thing keeping me from doing it
[00:38] rhineman5: same here
[00:38] rhineman5: i want to host one with brian
[00:38] rhineman5: call it "recycledbj"
[00:38] Enzo Palumbo: haha
[00:38] rhineman5: and have julie play in it
[00:38] rhineman5: as julie chen
[00:39] Enzo Palumbo: that would be awesome. i played with julie in urtv9 and its funny because i was hoh the week she was evicted
[00:39] rhineman5: HA!
[00:39] Enzo Palumbo: which ended up being a mistake
[00:39] rhineman5: aww
[00:39] Enzo Palumbo: it led to me getting 10th actually not 9th like I said
[00:39] Enzo Palumbo: I was one away from jury in that game
[00:39] rhineman5: aww
[00:40] rhineman5: yeah the ones ive heard of are recycled
[00:40] rhineman5: urtv
[00:40] rhineman5: warzone
[00:40] rhineman5: starz...
[00:40] rhineman5: i really dont know many lol
[00:40] Enzo Palumbo: yeah those 3 were the main ones peopel knew each other from
[00:40] Enzo Palumbo: people*
[00:40] rhineman5: yeah
[00:41] rhineman5: man i sense my eyelids getting heavier
[00:41] rhineman5: i think im done for the night
[00:41] rhineman5: but ill def see you later

[James Rhine]

I am surprised that there was an eviction flipper. But I really hope now that ALL the powers are gone. I think it would make sense they would all have the same expiration date right? Final 6 would be all?

I miss Casey, but hopefully with his absence, Enzo, Brian and I can work together to make top 3. We all worked hard to get here, so why not help each other out. It was Enzo's idea really, and if he's planning some backstabbing idea, he better be concerned, because he can't get rid of Brian and I at the same time. But if I trust him, which I do, I will try and get us 3 to the final 3.

10 down, 4 to go.

[James Rhine]

I really don't have a target this week. I want Amy gone just because, and I want Justin gone so I can be the last winner standing. Plus I think it would be funny for my 2 HoH reigns to get rid of previous winners. ESPECIALLY winners part of that KFC shit. I don't forget things... Amy and Justin both didn't vote me back in the house. Enjoy the nomination chair

[James Rhine]

I thought about it, and now my target is Justin. I don't trust him. He may like me or w/e, but he has done nothing but prove his disloyalty and back up in his tracks and tell me why he was disloyal... some of the exact same shit I would have done. There's a reason Jason voted out Mike over Justin last season, and now I see it. But too bad Justin, I'm a winner too, and I know what it takes to win. You're a stronger competitor than you show, and when you're penalties are up, I'm sure we'll see you go on a comp whoring streak. Which I'd rather not, so I hope you like 6th place?

[James Rhine]

I kinda threatened Brian to not use the veto, knowing that he values my opinion and will do whatever I say...

I shouldve'nt been so harsh. I'm a bad ally

[James Rhine]

Well, I consider this a successful HoH reign! I will now start packing my bags, my time has and will come soon. Last winner remaining, what what!!